Taxonomic Merge 9920 (Submetido em 16-12-2014)

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Adicionado(s) por carlos2 em 16 de dezembro de 2014, 07:50 PM | Committed by carlos2 on 16 de dezembro de 2014
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We're using http://butterfliesofamerica.com/ as an authority for butterflies and this source considers Pterourus a subgenus of Papilio rather than a genus. As a result I'm going to reverse this swap. Using Papilio also follows Bugguide and NatureServe

Publicado por loarie mais de 9 anos antes

However, the taxonomy in Mexico uses Pterourus...
and we had agree that we will use the mexican taxonomic authorities.

Publicado por carlos2 mais de 9 anos antes

Yes but the Canadians and US folks want to use Papilio... I personally don't care either way - I just wish people would agree

Publicado por loarie mais de 9 anos antes

Looks like the disagreement here is that http://www.butterfliesofamerica.com/ uses different genera for their US-Canada list maintained by Jonathan P. Pelham zapjammer@comcast.net and their all america's list maintained by N. V. Grishin grishin@chop.swmed.edu http://www.butterfliesofamerica.com/L/Neotropical.htm - maybe email them both and see if they can resolve the dispute?

Publicado por loarie mais de 9 anos antes

But there will be others.... and we had agreed that for the Mexican version we would use the taxonomic authorities of CONABIO... That should be possible as with common names...

Publicado por carlos2 mais de 9 anos antes

The network can only have one set of Active taxa - so the question is which taxon is active? Thatpreferred by CONABIO, or that preferred by New Zealand, or that preferred by Canada? We agreed to try to find consensus when there was disagreement in the sources by bringing those responsible for the sources (in this case Jonathan P. Pelham and N. V. Grishin) so I suggest you contact them and try to get them to come to consensus. In this case it should be easy since they are both collaborating on http://www.butterfliesofamerica.com/ - I don't think there's disagreement here, I think its just that Grishin's list hasn't kept up with Pelham's

Publicado por loarie mais de 9 anos antes

Looks like the preference for Papilio over Pterourus is the more 'recent' trend. According to wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papilio "Older classifications of the swallowtails tended to use a large number of rather small genera. More recent classifications have been more conservative, and as a result a number of former genera are now absorbed within Papilio...Now included in the genus Papilio, are the former genera: Achillides, Eleppone, Druryia, Heraclides (giant swallowtails), Menelaides, Princeps, Pterourus (tiger swallowtails), and Sinoprinceps."

But again this is all arbitrary - whether to draw the 'genus' line at Papilio or Pterourus has nothing to do with science. My only interest here is trying to come towards a consensus so we can share data. I have no strong opinions other than getting everybody on the same page

Publicado por loarie mais de 9 anos antes

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